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Israel arming Darfur rebels

Mon Feb 2, 2009 10:27 AM EST
world-news, israel, sudan, darfur, conflict, imperialism, rebel
By Besoshvili
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Feb. 2 -- Sudanese state media reported today that the rebel group operating in the country's Darfur region, The Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) has received substantial military support from Zionist-Israel. Israel's reported involvement in the affair has included considerable shipments of weaponry and military-logistical support.

According to the official Sudan News Agency (SUNA), shipments of arms from Israel traveled through France, where they were subsequently sent to Chad. The Sudanese government, under Omar al-Bashir, has accused Chad of providing military and logistical aide to the rebel groups in their attacks in the Darfur region.

The JEM, along with the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA), are the two main rebel factions engaged in conflict with the government of Sudan. The pro-Western rebel groups seek to undermine the government of Sudan in hopes of
establishing a market economy and furthering ties with Western-imperialist business.

Zionist-Israeli's involvement is ironic considering it's accusations against Arab and Islamic countries for allegedly providing material-military assistance to the Hamas movement and other Palestinian resistance organizations.

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Craig19

Well good for them!

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST
alkimija

Exactly my sentiments. At least someone's helping.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 5:07 PM EST
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What Katie Did

Again an example of Israel's inability to do the right thing. Is it still as the many jokes, that they just wantr to line their pockets?They need to see what happened to their race in WW2 and stop assisting the same if not worse atrocities across the globe. They seem to be against anyone speaking out about them but goodness, look what they're doing in Gaza, "the man doth protest too much." Why is everyone so apathetic to what they are doing wordwide?

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 12:16 PM EST
tishnissDeleted
Better Careful

Israel meddles in US politics to a degree that's stunning. That little country creates more problems for it's size than any other nation on earth. They hold the record for defiance of the United Nations, and are poised for further defiance. They are corrupt, for the corrupt most of what they touch. My nation, the USA, ought to let them go their own way, after we get their nuclear arsenal removed and hold responsible those spies and espionage agents who stole from us. Enough is enough.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 1:30 PM EST
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What Katie Did

I agree with PDeuth, and strongly disagree with tishniss. Tishniss, are you an Israeli? Or know the history that prevails the conflict in Gaza? The Israeli's have been doing what comes best to them, stealing other people's land and invading and massacring innocent people. It wasn't the Gaza'ians who started the problems, in-fact my country the UK has a lot to be answerable for, they took land from them and stupidly gave it to the Israeli's. And with the arsenal that the Israeli's possess, how can you even compare the fire from the Palestinians to the might (weapon wise) of the Israeli's, its not possible if you have any sort of compassion and feeling!

And yes PDeuth, i too believe they have had their day and should be sent on their way! No, i am not a NAZI nor am i a racist, but i am proud to believe that this race who have shoved the holocaust down everyone's throat, whilst arming other countries with the means to destroy eachother, should get their Karma! If you would like to refer to the book "Ghost wars" by Steve Cohl, it factually references issues leading up to the Afganistan war, not connected you say, just have a read and again the Israeli's were involved in arms deals which led to the conflict we are subjected to now. My husband is an American soldier and i want security for us and our children, and with the Israeli's US and sadly the UK gvernment in eachothers pockets, that's something i fear is far away!

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 2:12 PM EST
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What Katie Did

Ref-jordan and directing their anger thus.

Im sure if the Jordanians were giving the Palestinians a fraction of the heartache that Israel has and continues to do so, then they would direct it there. My information is not ill informed, i fear you are either brainwashed or Israeli/Jewish either way im sure it amounts to the same thing, as i have read your comments on other discussions. Only such a race can be so damning of another who clearly has no real way of defending themselves. Unfortunately Jews/Israeli's have infultrated the societies of the most powerful countries in the world, and until more people know the exact dealings they do/have and the sheer terror they inflict indirectly, we surely are at the dirty end of the stick.

As for your comments about Israel and the Jews being the only "Holy" land and people, i really was under the impression we had progressed from the medieval times where people couldn't co-exist with differing beliefs. A problem many Jews seem to have. Remember it wasn't the Palestinians who murdered Jesus, so tell me in his eyes who really would be more "Holy"?

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 2:40 PM EST
Menachem Ben Yakov

What Katie Did, " i fear you are either brainwashed or Israeli/Jewish either way im sure it amounts to the same thing, as i have read your comments on other discussions. Only such a race can be so damning of another who clearly has no real way of defending themselves. Unfortunately Jews/Israeli's have infultrated the societies of the most powerful countries in the world, and until more people know the exact dealings they do/have and the sheer terror they inflict indirectly, we surely are at the dirty end of the stick. "

Congrats Katie. The most anti-semitic post I have ever read on the vine. Truly disturbed.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST
What Katie Did

No Menachem, what i am anti is a people who totally and utterly condemn and try to over run any other with no thought for them! Not anti Semitic, and please, aren't we all sick of the term, there are much worse atrocities happening today than ever in WW2, oh which btw, Israel has a hand in most!

  • 1 vote
#9.2 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 6:58 PM EST
alkimija

Remember it wasn't the Palestinians who murdered Jesus

Appalling, and yes - deeply disturbing.

  • 2 votes
#9.3 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 7:42 PM EST
Rick-525236

Katie - What atrocities are you refering to? Aside from the actions of certain groups in Africa, I know of no atrocites that could be worse than what was commited in WWII (by the Nazis and American atom bombs). The atrocities in Africa still pale in scope to those of WWII.

When the PLO was based in Jordan they tried to set up an autonomous area adjacent to the West Bank where they were in control, in defiance of the King of Jordon. The PLO even tried to assasinate the King. After a bloody battle, Jordan threw out the PLO and they went to Syria, Lebanon, and the West Bank. That is why things are more peaceful in Jordan - those Palestinians aren't under the rule of the militant remnants of the PLO.

As to your reference about the Jews killing Jesus - I am so sick of this old and tired line. Jesus was himself a Jew - so blaming an entire race for this event would require one to blame Jesus himself. Also, it was God's plan for Jesus to die - he had to die. Jesus went to Jerusalem - had the passover meal - knowing God's plan. Jesus went to the mount of olives and waited for them to come for him. Had God not intended for this action to be done by the Jews, then he would have had it happen another way.

As far as anti-semitism, I would have to say that you are indeed anti-semitic. You group all Jews into one neat little clump and then apply your negative comments to the whole group. That bias against a whole semitic group makes you anti-semitic. As far as you being tired of the term, well now that doesn't really make a whit of difference does it? One can be tired of hearing the term Communist, Nazi, African American (or the word Gerbil for that matter); that doesn't change the fact that the term does apply.

And before you go calling me a Jew (the normal tactic for fanatics) - I am an American Indian.

  • 2 votes
#9.4 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 10:31 PM EST
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Besoshvili

Let's try to keep the discussion focused on the details of Israeli arms shipments and material aide to rebel groups in Sudan, please.

  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST
krishna-167929

Let's try to keep the discussion focused on the details of Israeli arms shipments and material aide to rebel groups in Sudan, please.

And IMO it would also be appropriate to discuss other ways in which Israel aids black victims of Islamist extremism as well..(this is not usually mentioned in the mainstream media!)

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 3:11 PM EST
Besoshvili

The rebel groups in Darfur are not "innocent" victims, they are armed insurgent groups that want to hand the country's oil, natural gas and other important resources over to private capitalists in the West at the expense of the native population. They should be hunted down and shot like rabid dogs.

  • 4 votes
#10.2 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 3:35 PM EST
krishna-167929

They should be hunted down and shot like rabid dogs.

Well..the Egyptians appear to be doing their part: Egyptians "lynch" 4 Sudanese trying to cross border ("These are not men- they are animals")

  • 4 votes
#10.3 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 6:30 PM EST
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WheresReagan2008

The pro-Western rebel groups seek to undermine the government of Sudan in hopes of establishing a market economy and furthering ties with Western-imperialist business

This instead of living in dirt, you know to better their country from the tyranny they currently live in. How is this bad? Yes, increasing their progress and involving themselves in the world would be devastating, right? Am I missing something here?

    Reply#12 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST
    Besoshvili

    Progress is undeniably important, and once the situation stabilizes, the Sudanese can undergo their own economic development. However, handing over control of Sudan's resources to private enterprise is not progressive, it's profitable for a select few. The rebel groups, in connection with their pro-Western supporters, would open up the trade embargo (imposed by US) and enable private oil companies to embezzle the wealth produced by Sudanese oil.

    • 3 votes
    #12.1 - Mon Feb 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST
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    Besoshvili

    LAST WARNING:

    All subsequent comments not related to the article in question will be deleted. There are plenty of articles/topics to discuss Israeli rape of Palestine, this is particularly focused on the issue of Israel arming rebel organizations in Darfur. PLEASE KEEP COMMENTS ON TOPIC OR ELSE THEY WILL BE DELETED.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#16 - Tue Feb 3, 2009 3:10 PM EST
    Irene-498401

    News reports say that the pro-government Janjaweed militia in Sudan is using is arms from China in Darfur.

    From Asia News,

    90% of the weapons for Darfur come from China
    Beijing, in violation of the UN veto, sells weapons and receives oil in exchange.

    From BBC

    The BBC has found the first evidence that China is currently helping Sudan's government militarily in Darfur.

    The Panorama TV programme tracked down Chinese army lorries in the Sudanese province that came from a batch exported from China to Sudan in 2005.

    The BBC was also told that China was training fighter pilots who fly Chinese A5 Fantan fighter jets in Darfur.

    China's government has declined to comment on the BBC's findings, which contravene a UN arms embargo on Darfur.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#17 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 2:09 AM EST
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